bugger me no one plays breaks anymore

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:56 am

I'm sick of hearing this shit, when me and many other breaks DJs are getting bookings at LEAST every week and usually more often. Sure, I play a lot of other stuff too... but mostly I get booked for breaks gigs.

just because it's not Lynt, Brewster, Little Evil, etc etc on the circuit these days don't mean it aint happening.

citizen.com, deviant, abstar, flip, thayer (or course), diego garcia, jamie mack, smile on impact, matt anaka, andy hoffman, breaksome, stray, spinFX, etc etc

....are all getting booking at clubs all over melbourne.

just because you are old and jaded and don't even go to breaks nights and maybe even personally over the sound doesn't mean it's dead.

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:00 pm

breaks is dead imo. get over it u girl

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:01 pm

obliveus wrote:
DBoy wrote:You still play out, man I thought you retired to your lounge room, or class room, or whereever it is you do long long ago.

Breakbeat BBQ soon OB.
That's what I'm saying. Ringwood North has a huge breaks scene...it's just at people's houses.

The dubstep scene is infringing though...in the comission units. They all be hard down there. Writing beats with Nintendos...playin out at the local scout halls. Petey runs with one of the crews, I hear. Carries a pistol for whippin. He b one hard bearfo.

forreal niggaz

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:02 pm

Hey, whatever happened to grime?

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:02 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote:
deviant wrote:BREAKS IS NOT DEAD IN MELBOURNE!!!

SHEESH
X 2

Not dead. But not a shadow on what it once was IMHO.

Good on those that are still rocking out sets and packing em into gigs though.

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:03 pm

obliveus wrote:Hey, whatever happened to grime?

was never big here, gets played with dubstep.

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:05 pm

^^^ Ahhh, thought it came in went pretty fast.

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:12 pm

still peeps doin it, but not very big.

breaks thread is officially ahead.

maybe times are changing.

this thread has brought breaks back.

think it might be time to jump ship again.

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:26 pm

obliveus wrote:Hey, whatever happened to Dubstep?

sAme'0 wrote:was never big here,

obliveus wrote:^^^ Ahhh, thought it came in went pretty fast.

sAme'0 wrote:still peeps doin it, but not very big.

You all know this is what will be said about Dubstep sooner rather than later right

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:34 pm

Actually, if no one is playing breaks anymore, it's probably because they're all posting on mb.com too often.

Nah, seriously though...Dan, I see where yer coming from. I never said breaks was dead BTW. I know you and the rest are still pushing it and getting booked, so good on ya. Lots of us on this site go about doing our thang cuz we love what we do.

If you dig it, that's what's important. Whether or not it's labelled breaks is irrelevent, cuz yer getting booked to play what you like to play...or you're doing your own events pushing what you like to play.

I hate genre tags in the first place. As I said earlier, just be a DJ, people. Or in Petey's case, a BJ.

That sounds so wrong.

enigneyratorelknaw · Post by **enigneyratorelknaw** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:34 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote:
obliveus wrote:Hey, whatever happened to Dubstep?

sAme'0 wrote:was never big here,

obliveus wrote:^^^ Ahhh, thought it came in went pretty fast.

sAme'0 wrote:still peeps doin it, but not very big.
You all know this is what will be said about Dubstep sooner rather than later right

Hey, whatever happened to Shifty?
was never big here,
Ahhh, thought he came in went pretty fast.
still peeps doin him, but not very big.

x2

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:36 pm

enigneyratorelknaw wrote:
Shifty-Sly wrote:
obliveus wrote:Hey, whatever happened to Dubstep?

sAme'0 wrote:was never big here,

obliveus wrote:^^^ Ahhh, thought it came in went pretty fast.

sAme'0 wrote:still peeps doin it, but not very big.
You all know this is what will be said about Dubstep sooner rather than later right
Hey, whatever happened to Shifty?
was never big here,
Ahhh, thought he came in went pretty fast.
still peeps doin him, but not very big. x2

He is doing porno, I hear.

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:45 pm

i thought i would be doing a porno with the bj name.

hahahahaha

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:49 pm

obliveus wrote:He is doing porno, I hear.

Doing a damn fine job of it too

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:56 pm

We all know breaks ain't dead. No genre of music ever really dies, always going to be a subculture around it. But it sure ain't like it was when BRB and co did the 7 days of breaks in Melbourne.

And as for the names you mentioned Deviant, no offence cause you do a damn good job of promoting and doing your thing, but Melbourne Breaks does now lack personnalities. Brewster, Ransom, Phil K (when he was still breaks). They were big personnalities with pulling power. Just the way it is.

My opinion - Breaks is SO dead it is cool again.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:56 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote:
deviant wrote:BREAKS IS NOT DEAD IN MELBOURNE!!!

SHEESH
X 2

X3

ya dan know.

hardcore beats is the best breakbeat label known to mortal man. http://www.myspace.com/hardcorebeats

anything else is just fassy bway dem.

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:59 pm

youthful_implants wrote:hardcore beats is the best breakbeat label known to mortal man.

This is the truth!!!

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:59 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:hardcore beats is the best breakbeat label known to mortal man.
This is the truth!!!

I only deal in cold hard FACT shifty sly.

same o · Post by **same o** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:04 pm

science?

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:06 pm

youthful_implants wrote:I only deal in cold hard FACT shifty sly.

Me too, not many people know but my alias is Trusty Tru....

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:20 pm

trusty tru-say.

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:32 pm

there was a certain emptiness in the scene when 33&1/3 dissipated.

them were the days.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:33 pm

Breaks died when Lil Evil got banned.

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Blaxter wrote: Lil Evil got banned

He was a good egg that one, mad as a meat axe but a fucking top khunt

I hear he is just hanging out in a mens toilet block in St Kilda blowing dudes for coin and small notes these days

Its a damn shame....

enigneyratorelknaw · Post by **enigneyratorelknaw** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:50 pm

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” wrote:there was a certain emptiness in the scene when 33&1/3 dissipated.

them were the days.

I always played em at 45 neway

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:40 pm

deviant wrote:
citizen.com, deviant, abstar, flip, thayer (or course), diego garcia, jamie mack, smile on impact, matt anaka, andy hoffman, breaksome, stray, spinFX, etc etc

....are all getting booking at clubs all over melbourne.
.

those guys are all a bunch of donks anyway.
only into breaks because it's 'the next big thing'
damn trendy bunch of latte sippin' high jeans wearin mutha fckers.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:18 pm

Dan makes a good point, but breaks has been dead for me for a fair while.

I blame producers. I just have not heard a decent breaks release for a very long while. doesn't move me, doesn't interest me. Obviously its a personal thing, but who knows, maybe a lot of people are in the same spot.

Probably last decent breaks release I can think of that I liked was Nikola Grebovic - Atlantis, and not even a true breaks track really.

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:27 pm

No good breaks tracks being produced Pfft, you guys don't know what your talking about, I find at least one or two awesome tracks nearly every week along with all the other really solid tunes that sets are built with

You cant be looking in the right place

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:31 pm

All a matter of opinion though isn't it Shifty. I'd reckon your taste might differ a little from mrj's.

If people did dig the tunes back then, and don't now - then something has changed.

For good or bad is up to the individual.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:34 pm

Has any one noticed how much shit I (and we) talk?

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:38 pm

For sure, without a doubt mate one mans trash is anothers treasure as they say

It is a shame the scene is not at the same level as it once was cause some of the tunes and sounds being cranked out now are just awesome. I think as "Breaks" in some peoples minds has become a dirty word this could be stopping people from listening to some of the newer stuff as readily as the once may have.

Just my thoughts

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:45 pm

I find people's ideas of what breaks is pretty interesting.

For me personally its about sub low basslines, rude-boy sped-up funk breaks, and high-pass filtered tearing leads.

If it aint got at least one of those three things, it aint breaks and it probably aint running.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:49 pm

youthful_implants wrote:I find people's ideas of what breaks is pretty interesting.

For me personally its about sub low basslines, rude-boy sped-up funk breaks, and high-pass filtered tearing leads.

If it aint got at least one of those three things, it aint breaks and it probably aint running.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:50 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote: I think as "Breaks" in some peoples minds has become a dirty word this could be stopping people from listening to some of the newer stuff as readily as the once may have.

Just my thoughts

I think that is a thought that is probably pretty spot on. The punters who would have once eagerly anticpiated CD releases of artist albums and mixes alike may have wained as breaks shifted into new territory and frankly I am 100% guilty of this. I have always followed multiple genres, but I got to say I stopped paying attention to breaks over the last 2 years, simply because for at least a year I thought most of what was coming out was shit and not my style. Far to serious. Breaks could be doing anything these days and I would not know.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:31 pm

Shifty-Sly wrote:No good breaks tracks being produced Pfft, you guys don't know what your talking about, I find at least one or two awesome tracks nearly every week along with all the other really solid tunes that sets are built with

You cant be looking in the right place

welllllll.........i checked behind the sofa but instead of a breaks track i found a couple hund. so i went and got a bag instead, and then after that everything is a bit of a blur. i think i mighta gone to a techno party, but its also possible that i stayed at home dancing with a mannequin listening to a metronome. who the fuck can tell the difference these days anyway.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:32 pm

DBoy wrote:Has any one noticed how much shit I (and we) talk?

Well I have certainly noticed how much shit YOU talk, everyone else though i just kinda block out. I'm only really here to laugh at my own jokes anyway.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:28 pm

Thanks for the honesty MRJ. I'll check myself.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:53 pm

i dunno if it's dead ... hard to say as I haven't been out past 11pm for years.

I think a lot of the ppl involved between 99-05 are now just old and boring. they have day jobs, partners, dogs, mortgages etc. Just like during that period the people from the early purveyors/riddims days weren't really that involved as they had moved on. Another thing most need to consider is everything is better in hindsight ... when I was Lounge everyone told me Out of Order was nowhere near as popular as Purveyors was ... yet Out of Order was more often than not doing more payers and more bar ... I think we all remember the great times when 600 ppl saw Soul of Man, not the time when 17 people saw Danny McMillan or even less Atomic Hooligan.

when breaks was at its strongest as a sound the wider DJ community had interest in it. IE - people like Smillie playing The Push by Plump Djs ... John Course would play breaks. Now hate on them all you like but this meant that bigger breaks parties at places like POW or even Lounge/Fractured would get a really good wider crowd - 50/50 male/female. Now it doesn't appear the wider DJs are playing breaks stuff. I also personally think the prog influenced deep breaks really had a negative impact ... man they were boooring and struggled to connect with anyone not fuckeyed ... but that's really me being subjective than anything that can be quantified. Plus some breaks was too aggro for most females ...

I lived with Stray for 2 years and I always heard good stuff coming out of his speakers - breaks or otherwise ... and I see Thayer every other day and he is still finding good stuff and is still as passionate about everything as he was when he sent me his first demo 9 years ago. These 2 would probably never say they were just 'breaks' I don't think ... they just play good party music.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:14 pm

edit:
dont be cunty arlo.

menace · Post by **menace** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:36 pm

good thread would read again imo

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:19 pm

good thread, some great opinions.
anyone listened to any chris carter lately?

breaks thread wins vs dubstep thread - resurgence imo.

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:20 pm

Breaks is thriving in certain places in Europe - Spain and Russia most notably. But those cuntz would listen to anything

I think one of the main reasons for a worldwide decline, is pure and simple - shitful music.
Take labels like Hardcore Beats or Passenger - two of my fave labels of all time. Both dramatically shat themselves in the last 3 years, attempting to cash in, and releasing 'breaks' tunes which to me sounded like latter-day Meatkatie with a generic, somewhat convoluted, tearout bassline again and again and again - then it got sort of fingerlickin whacky, which was really disapointing. This was pretty much the trend (tearout or otherwise) along the whole board. Checkout the later releases on Botchit and TCR (last 4 years or so), and they are mostly absolute bollocks. There's only so much of that shit you can listen to, and it took a couple of years for it to run right down. I was over it well before - round about the time Boy George released that shocker on W9Y - after which we had to endure that type of proggy shite interspersed with the odd good release on our fave 'big' breaks labels forever more. As a result digging became more serious, and if it hadn't of been for constant strong releases over the years on quality underground labels like Funkatech, Cut & Run, Trans-verse and Broke (to name a few better known ones) I would have stopped buying a long time sooner. Even those labels slowed down production of quality breaks somewhat in the last couple of years - some just went too hard, others just ceased to exist. Then the shit really hit the fan for breakbeat. The 'big' labels kept running the same formula, and again, it got so OLD. It IS so old.
It's only now that artists such as Vent are rejuvinating stale labels. Hardcore Beats has been re-vamped, and is kicking much arse. I heard my first Vent track early last year, after a listening hiatus, and was truly astounded at how far forward things had jumped. It was a welcome breath of fresh air, in what seemed an endless period of no love.
Doing some serious listening after that, I can honestly say that I think things are truly progressing again now, and once again a distinct line has been drawn in the sand between new, original, groundbreaking breakbeat, and your made for the masses everyday breaks tune with no originality whatsoever. The latter being so incredibly done to death, tiresome and completely shitous that things have to progress - if you know what I mean? Just like after the first rise, fall and rise again of techno.
As a result of this plethora of terrible shite, I think an underground will re-surface eventually, and this may be happening now - spawning a whole new movement. Whether this be in DJ or live format remains to be seen, but the format is beyond the point. A healthy scene requires a good, strong underground movement, with solid tunes from around the globe, and a stable of at least three or four top class local performers with some serious passion, who aren't up for compromising their sound under any circumstance. It's what makes a town jump.
At the moment our scene is small, needs much work - but, amazingly, it still lives. (Kudos to people like Deviant and his crew for keeping the flame buring through dark times). Also, the tunes are getting good again - which is a much welcome and integral facet of things getting back on track. So, now we just need the talent to push it, and if it's already here it needs to push harder. People can only see some talentless old tit, running off the fumes of his big commercial hit released 5 years previously, spinning records badly with one hand up in the air for so long before shit gets real old - and as a result new blood with talent is probably needed. Some style, dedication to the wheels of steel, and playing finesse from a whole new angle would be a good kick-start to the scene IMO. It would be wicked to see some youngies hit the decks with dedication, fury and passion like some of those I used to go see, and play alongside, back in the day.
(If you are playing hard and dedicated, and I have'nt checked you out, I apologise)

Like the Crystal Method said at the dawn of bigbeat: 'There is Hope.'
All styles of music decline, then come back. Breaks is no exception.
I'm listening to some good new tuneage right now - get on it if you have any integrity left in your breaks loving soul, ya fuckers

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:55 pm

do you like being measured up sir?>??? ooooo suits you sir, suits you

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:24 pm

deviant wrote:I'm sick of hearing this shit, when me and many other breaks DJs are getting bookings at LEAST every week and usually more often. Sure, I play a lot of other stuff too... but mostly I get booked for breaks gigs.

just because it's not Lynt, Brewster, Little Evil, etc etc on the circuit these days don't mean it aint happening.

citizen.com, deviant, abstar, flip, thayer (or course), diego garcia, jamie mack, smile on impact, matt anaka, andy hoffman, breaksome, stray, spinFX, etc etc

....are all getting booking at clubs all over melbourne.

just because you are old and jaded and don't even go to breaks nights and maybe even personally over the sound doesn't mean it's dead.

if you could point me to one breaks track with the intention of blowing me away, what would it be?

not being a cunt at all, genuine.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:33 pm

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:35 pm

ah farken I'm being serious man! honestly.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:36 pm

or is cunt the name of the tune?

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:41 pm

and that wasn't my way of saying "I've never heard a breaks tune I liked". It was me admiting that I have been guilty of putting up walls around a genres, which is something I hate.

and also, I know if I jumped in and heard the most popular dubstep right now without getting an early introduction, and without having some knowledge of the *cough* 'underground" stuff around I would be pretty close to writing off the whole genre as unimaginative crap. Maybe that's kinda happened with me and breaks?

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:42 pm

old or new btw.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:46 pm

well, I'm not in the business of trying to "blow you away" dave, BUT, I really liked the body snatchers album this year.... that and the plump DJs album.... oh, and tipper of course....

most old botchit and scarper and TCR stuff still dingles my twang too.